Buses in South St

I wonder if you have discussed the problems of buses travelling down South St and potential solutions?

I often have problems travelling into the village from Coach Hill when meeting an oncoming bus.  You can’t see a bus from that direction when you enter the narrow street. Driving past the bus is then hazardous and difficult since there is no room to pass due to parked cars and the bollards. It’s also hard to reverse out when cars are following you.

A simple solution would be to remove the bollards to reduce the risk of vehicle damage or install lights to control the flow of traffic along this section of road. This road was much better years ago before the width restrictions and installation of the stupid bollards.

Steve Cussons

24 thoughts on “Buses in South St

  1. Steve Cussons

    Stuart Evans’ views are much the same as mine as the OP, but I don’t support closing South St to residents. When travelling towards Fareham, this would require those of us living to the south of South St to take a circuitous route rather than than the direct route through the village where we live. I have raised my points with Hampshire Council but they obviously have no interest in improving the situation unless they see evidence of accidents which concern them.

  2. Stuart Evans

    I’ve lived in area for 18 years, 15 of those in Titchfield. The core issue is small village roads in an ever increasing urban area with impatient road users are not suitable and unsafe.
    The buses that use the Coach Hill to Gyratory route are unsuitable to the roads (proven by 1) vehicles having to move over to the wrong side of the road just to let the bus pass, 2) the bus must move into the middle of the road or far over just to make the turn in East Street and 3) the frequent small accidents at the roundabout at the bottom of Coach Hill). But the “service” they provide along that route is necessary. The alternative route being West Street but this could never work unless you banned parking along it’s length.
    The wooden bollards along South Street provide only the most basic level of protection. Plus they are not maintenance free and will rot and require replacement. I would suggest even hit at 20mph, against even a small hatchback the bollard would provide no more protection than a plastic straw.
    So viable solutions along South Street are:
    1) open it to two lanes and install speed bumps – highly unpopular, risky when large vehicles pass, probably encourage more traffic but at least it would be following
    2) Traffic Lights – would eliminate the passing issues but cause hold ups at either end. However, over time this may diminish as people avoid it. You could also install speed bumps to prevent fools from speeding through it. I’ve seen this solution used to great effect in smaller and larger villages in places such as Yorkshire, Cornwall, Somerset and the Scottish Highlands.
    3) Close the road and pedestrianize it – residents will have no issues, there will be no accidents. But it will divert traffic elsewhere.
    4) Pass based bollard solution – Block the road at either end with a bollard and issues passes to local residents to use it. Expensive yes, but I would suggest it eliminates the issue whilst maintaining access.

    What you cannot fix – people.
    At the top, I mention impatient road users. In the last week these events took place:
    1) I stop near the Co-Op to allow oncoming traffic to pass through South Street. A car and van overtake and try to get ahead causing the oncoming traffic to stop. I have to reverse to let the van do the drive of shame. The car got exactly 10 feet further along the road but we were delayed 4-5 minutes
    2) Same thing, stopped next to Hadlows to allow traffic past and now a cyclist continues into the narrow section with a van oncoming. Van swerves, cyclist swears. Cyclist then proceeds to hold the traffic at the Coach Hill roundabout to complain at me for stopping. BTW – seen this guy several times, he really hates everyone. I’m surprised he can go in straight line with his right hand mid-digit in the air so much!
    3) A car tries to force the bus to reverse back towards the high street as it is his right of way
    4) Car passes within 18-24 inches of 3 horses (2 adults one child) walking along South Street, speeding to get past before the narrowed section.

    Now either these people have no respect for others, they are itching for a fight, or they purposefully want to injure someone. They unfortunate thing is, you cannot mitigate against these people. The self righteous king of the rad driver, the pioneer militant cyclist and the life in their own hands rider all belong legally on the road but there is no way anything will work or stay safe unless all parties stick to the road laws.

    So my proposal, get the traffic lights up ASAP.

  3. Sue

    What is wrong with a little patience and courtesy when driving in the village? We live in the village and have no problem giving way to other drivers whether in East, West or South streets. We also share our parking with neighbours. Too much moaning going on.

  4. Steve Cussons

    There is no need to close South St when there are other solutions as mentioned in the discussion i.e. remove the centre pinch point, prohibit parking (except deliveries), traffic lights.

  5. P.W.H.SWAN

    The bollards and pinch points were put in place after years of consultation, research and traffic management analysis. They were a considerable expense. Their function is to slow the speed of traffic in South Street and to cause minimal damage to the listed properties as well as protecting the pedestrians..
    The catalyst to this work was the death and near serious injury to two children.
    The success of the scheme is that there has been no serious incident since inception: the businesses and traders have managed to continue and apart from a few selfish speedsters every one has accepted this as the best compromise.

  6. C G O Walker

    In all the brou ha ha about South St, Pavements and Pedestrians no one spares a thought for West St; There are no bollards to protect pedestrians, one quarter has no pavement at all and the speed limit is 30 mph along the greater part of it. As a pedestrian I have personally been clipped 5 times by vehicles.
    The only solution to the problem of traffic in the centre of the village is cut the Gordian Knot by closing South St to through traffic only allowing access to South St traders and residents, authorised public transport bus services and emergency vehicles. However such an idea would cause a major outcry and get no support.

  7. Iain windebank

    The broken bollard currently replaced by a traffic cone was broken by a lorry mid November last year (2017), I reported it on HantsWeb. It is because the bollard was missing and someone had removed the cone that two weeks ago I suddenly found a white van driving on the pavement behind me as I walked to collect my morning paper. It was this and the length of time it has taken to carry out the repair that caused me to alert Geoff Hockley to the problem who is now chasing up the repair.

    The bollards are a vital protection for pedestrians and the properties in South Street and must remain. As a resident of South Street the antics of some drivers are almost beyond belief. The bollards need to be left as they are.

  8. Steve Cussons

    It seems to me two quick wins would be to remove the pinch point in the centre of the chicane stretch (but keep the bollards) and prohibit parking along the entire chicane stretch. I see another bollard has been damaged (and a vehicle) since there is traffic cone there today in place of the bollard.

  9. Graham Wood

    This is all becoming very serious and rightly so. Someone in this melee of words has written asking for some solutions well – What about aligning all the bollards which include those on the chicanes (pinch points)
    thereby should a ‘jam up’ occur it would not take much to ‘undo’ thereby allowing movement across the chicane with ease.

  10. Phil Burner

    I agree with most of the comments above, the bollards and pinch points are doing exactly what they were designed for. Please keep them.

    When driving through South Street one has to have a bit of patience and some common sense.

    Btw a double-decker bus is no wider that a single decker (around 2.5 metres).

  11. Sue

    The Co-op lorries delivering in the village are very big but, at most, would be 25 tons, not 45 tons.

  12. Steve Cussons

    I now understand the history of the bollards and these seem to be needed. Given the bollards have to stay and you can’t see an oncoming bus or HGV when entering South St from the min-roundabout, the best solution might be traffic lights to control the traffic flow. Has this been considered? I’ve reviewed the bus timetables and I now time my departure from the village to avoid meeting an oncoming bus!

  13. Andrew Gaisford

    I agree with everything that had been said re the retention of the bollards and traffic calming. They may frustrate the hell out of people in a hurry but the village is not designed for people in a hurry. Perhaps they should avoid it altogether if they cannot apply a bit of patience and common sense as I regularly witness on my way to the shop each morning.

  14. sue

    If there were any police measures taken to enforce the 20mph limit in South Street and the village it would help.

  15. Gary Rathke

    As the majority of vehs that use South St are only “passing through” we need a brainwave to discourage this from happening thus cutting traffic by I would suggest ny 2 thirds. Any suggestions???

  16. C G O Walker

    We have come a long way in 50 years – then there were double decker buses the double decker buses parking in the square and doing U Turns; the speed limit was 30 mph. The bollards are there to protect the pedestrians. If you don’t like it go another way.

    Chris Walker

  17. Karen Postle

    As a driver and a bus passenger I sympathise but removing the bollards is not an option. Before we had them, cars frequently mounted the pavement in order to pass, causing danger to pedestrians. They also prevent high-sided vehicles hitting the jettied houses – this had happened. Additionally, as many of the houses in South Street have no foundations, vehicles mounting the pavements causes damage. There was endless discussion before the pinch-points and bollards were installed and, while not popular, they were the least worst option.

  18. Graham Wood

    Steve you are spot on but no one seems to listen! This has been raised time and time again with little effect.
    You will never see the back of the bollards because they do serve their purpose in protecting the older houses etc but a more acceptable help would be to remove the chicanes which were the original ‘slow downs’ prior to the bollards, which subsequently made the bollards to a degree null and void.

    Graham Wood

  19. jayne

    The bollards were out there as a young man was killed by a car mounting the pavement to pass other traffic coming in the other way. They also prevent traffic from becoming far too close to the houses. Surely common sense shows this and the reason for the bollards?

  20. Gary Rathke

    One problem is the bus turning in toSouth St from Coach Hill if the extra wide path were reduced by half it woud make turning and seeing much beter for all conerned

  21. ain windebank

    The bollards are there for the protection of the houses and the pedestrians from inconsiderate motorists. Where the bollard is currently missing in South Street I have had the unfortunate experience of a white van driving along the pavement behind me to miss oncoming traffic a scary experience. If drivers take care and are considerate and not in such a hurry, there would be no damage to vehicles. The bollards MUST stay. And remember the buses come through South street at 06, 12, 36 and 42 minutes past each hour so if you want to avoid them don’t come through at those times.

  22. Sukie Swan

    A child was nearly killed in South Street by a selfish driver who couldn’t wait but drove along the pavement. The bollards are there to protect people and the old houses which have no foundations. The buses are far too big .. No double deckers were promised but there are still some travelling through this narrow street. The great news is that ever since the traffic calming measures were out in place -bollards and pinch points, there has not been an accident involving a pedestrian.

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